Christianity vs new religion

Let’s talk about my disagreement with Jim.

Most of it has already been said over at Jim’s. The basic disagreement is: Christianity or a new religion? Jim wants Christianity, I want a new religion.

I feel that Christianity at this point is what Sol Invictus was at the time of Roman emperor Aurelian – dated social technology, used only because there is no apparent alternative.

What is Sol Invictus you ask? Sol Invictus was the Roman continuation of the Greek pantheon; Zeus became Jupiter, Ares became Mars, that stuff. Aurelian, who around 270 AD impressively re-united the Roman empire, needed a single narrative to unite his lands. The tried and tested Sol Invictus was his natural choice. But although we learned in history class that Jupiter and his buddies were the Roman choice of religion, we also learn that religions die and disappear. Sol Invictus was already dying at the time of Aurelian, and Aurelian did not save it. Barely fifty years later emperor Constantine chose Christianity over Sol Invictus, and the rest is history.

The parallel with Christianity in the twenty-first century seems apparent to me. Now, instead of Sol Invictus, Christianity is the dated religion. I don’t want to side with a religion that has peaked. I want to be cool and stuff.

But okay, okay. Let’s back up for a second, take a look at Jim’s point of view.

The issue at hand is that we are looking at a rather bleak future. The progressive utopian future has at this point been completely debunked; instead of self-driving cars, we get state-imposed paralysis, where no one is allowed to build anything. Instead we are looking at the reactionary pessimistic future; that of a collapsing society. There has been debate as to how dramatic the collapse will be. The basic divide on this was: ‘it’ll stabilize and limp on’ versus ‘it’ll be French revolution bad.’

Seeing how the left is losing all control of its constituency, it seems that the ‘French revolution’ side has the slight upper hand. This happens to very much be Jim’s side, who is fond of repeating that democracy is over, we just haven’t realized it. Basically, if you think things have escalated quickly in the past few years, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

So that’s bad news. Even moreso for our good friend Trump. In Jim’s world, it is either do or die for Trump. Either he rules or he is killed (a sentiment shared, tellingly enough, by George Soros in an interview I can’t trace back). The situation will continue to spiral out of control until someone forcibly puts a stop to it.

From this perspective, Trump needs something now. Not in twenty years, definitely not in fifty years, but now. What could that be, what does Trump need?

Well, considering his main enemy is the progressive religion, and considering you need fire to fight fire, Jim’s answer is: Christianity! After all, there are still many Christians, many Christian communities, and to appeal to them is a lot easier than to build up something entirely new.

The idea is not to convert Christians to a different kind of Christianity, but to permit them to say out loud what they already know: that the gay priest in their church preaching the virtues of feminism is not Christianity at all; it is the devil wearing a Christian skin suit. Christian churches have been to the brim infiltrated by demons wearing Christian skin suits, and the Christians know it. If, Jim argues, they are willing to act on their disgust and exorcise those demons, well, then suddenly we are fighting fire with fire.

Naturally, I have some reservations. If Christians were willing to exorcise their demons, why haven’t they already done so? Christians are sleeping. Are they secretly resisting? Are they waking up? I don’t know. I am not seeing much of it.

But what do I know. I am not a Christian. Which, I think, is in the end what settles our disagreement. A Christian accepts Jesus as his lord and savior. I don’t accept Jesus as my lord and savior. Well I mean, in a utopian Christian society I’d have no problem saying that I accept Jesus as my lord and savior, but privately I wouldn’t, and since we don’t live in a utopian Christian society, I am free to publicly say I don’t accept Jesus as my lord and savior.

I tried praying at dinner, but it just doesn’t do it for me. I found myself praying to Gnon instead of God, and praying to Gnon felt silly because neither I nor Gnon cared about me praying. I’m not a Christian, I’m a post-Christian.

Some will say that doesn’t matter; that doubt of faith is as old as time itself. Man up and play the part, they say. I disagree. Conviction of faith is crucial, for some men at least. I count myself as one of those men. If my heart isn’t in it, not gonna do it. And my heart is not in Christianity, so not gonna do it. As simple as that.

But of course, that means I no longer have any sort of solution. I’m out, sort of. Leaving Christianity to the Christians. So, Jim’s plan it is. And in all fairness, Jim’s plan is better than no plan. We’ll see if Christians have any fight in them left.


  1. At present, Christianity is the best thing we have to counter the progressive faith. You want a new religion, so does Spandrell. You’ll have to create it. If you succeed, many of the few who are now supporting Christianity will join your new religion.

    You know the saying of the drowning man reaching for straw? Anything, however weak, is better than nothing at all. Until you can offer something better than nothing, Christianity has an edge.

    Regarding your question whether Christians haven’t exorcised the demons from their churches, the answer is state-backed violence. At least in Germany, any Christian congregation that exorcises those demons, will be targeted by Antifa and investigated by the police for “hate crimes” if they are public.

    If you are not a member of such a congregation or at least a friend of a member, you won’t see such a congregation. But they exist. I have personally attended services were the congregation prayed for the German people, the people of Europe and the Christians in this world- in that order and for noone else. The women in Church were silent (except singing). All priests were married with well behaved children. You could walk by the building where they are meeting and you wouldn’t suspect a Christian congregation. They don’t really have a Church, just a meeting room in run down part of town.

    1. That the progressive elite is kneedeep into all kinds of stuff they’d rather not have anyone find out about is evident by the murder of Epstein. I never found the Madeleine Mccann connection convincing, but it is entirely obvious Podesta and the Democrats have committed many crimes equally heinous as the kidnapping of a young girl.

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